1 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:19,349 no damn those gravitational waves 2 00:00:42,830 --> 00:00:30,390 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 3 00:00:48,709 --> 00:00:45,670 reason hello and welcome to the skeptic 4 00:00:51,590 --> 00:00:48,719 zone episode number 382 for the 14th of 5 00:00:54,790 --> 00:00:51,600 february ah happy valentine's day 6 00:00:56,709 --> 00:00:54,800 2016 richard saunders here with you from 7 00:01:02,470 --> 00:00:56,719 jamboree 8 00:01:03,750 --> 00:01:02,480 southern side of sydney near the city of 9 00:01:05,350 --> 00:01:03,760 wollongong 10 00:01:07,109 --> 00:01:05,360 it's where my mother lives and i'm 11 00:01:09,109 --> 00:01:07,119 visiting mum at the moment 12 00:01:10,710 --> 00:01:09,119 and thanks to uh the wonders of the 13 00:01:12,789 --> 00:01:10,720 internet and youtube we're enjoying 14 00:01:15,190 --> 00:01:12,799 watching lots of 15 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:15,200 wonderful shows that mum enjoys that is 16 00:01:19,350 --> 00:01:17,520 if those pesky gravitational waves don't 17 00:01:20,710 --> 00:01:19,360 get in our way now that was an 18 00:01:21,990 --> 00:01:20,720 interesting story that just happened 19 00:01:24,310 --> 00:01:22,000 this week 20 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:24,320 two black holes 21 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:26,640 colliding merging 22 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:28,320 1.3 23 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:30,880 billion years ago 24 00:01:35,109 --> 00:01:33,280 in the far reaches of space and only 25 00:01:37,270 --> 00:01:35,119 this week the uh 26 00:01:38,950 --> 00:01:37,280 the ripples 27 00:01:42,390 --> 00:01:38,960 in space-time 28 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:42,400 were detected on earth using mirrors 29 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:45,520 mirrors it's extraordinary suspended 30 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:47,520 mirrors and multiple mirrors around the 31 00:01:51,990 --> 00:01:50,560 planet to make sure once again a wonder 32 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:52,000 uh 33 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:54,640 a wonder brought to us by science not 34 00:01:59,830 --> 00:01:56,960 magic not pseudoscience 35 00:02:01,990 --> 00:01:59,840 not mysticism not the paranormal not the 36 00:02:02,950 --> 00:02:02,000 supernatural 37 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:02,960 just 38 00:02:07,749 --> 00:02:05,680 plain good old-fashioned science but 39 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:07,759 what's coming up on this week's episode 40 00:02:11,910 --> 00:02:09,759 of the skeptic zone joe alabaster 41 00:02:14,630 --> 00:02:11,920 evidence please joe 42 00:02:16,030 --> 00:02:14,640 a keen gardener a king gardener herself 43 00:02:18,630 --> 00:02:16,040 looks at 44 00:02:20,550 --> 00:02:18,640 biodynamic gardening 45 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:20,560 gardening with a 46 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:23,040 touch of woo woo 47 00:02:27,990 --> 00:02:24,640 you can grow your vegetables by the 48 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:28,000 light of the full moon or not find out 49 00:02:32,390 --> 00:02:31,040 more evidence please with joe alabaster 50 00:02:34,150 --> 00:02:32,400 following that it's a week in science 51 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:34,160 from the royal institution of australia 52 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,120 www.ria 53 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:39,840 dot a u it's an older one it's a repeat 54 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:41,680 you might have heard it before 55 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:43,920 worth listening to again 56 00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:45,040 then following that a little 57 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:47,599 investigation little report i should say 58 00:02:52,229 --> 00:02:51,040 about a certain psychic in the uk by the 59 00:02:53,589 --> 00:02:52,239 name of 60 00:02:55,270 --> 00:02:53,599 liliane 61 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:55,280 who was caught 62 00:02:59,430 --> 00:02:56,879 red-handed 63 00:03:02,309 --> 00:02:59,440 sending out the identical reading 64 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:02,319 letters from heaven to multiple clients 65 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:04,720 oh dear dear so we're going to look at 66 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:07,200 that we're going to hear 67 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:09,360 what that reading was 68 00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:11,280 and we'll be discussing the barnum 69 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:13,599 effect and other cold reading type 70 00:03:18,070 --> 00:03:15,280 statements with the help 71 00:03:19,910 --> 00:03:18,080 with the help of a clip from james randy 72 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:19,920 now before we get stuck into the show 73 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:21,760 this has come to my attention just in 74 00:03:24,869 --> 00:03:23,519 the last few days thank you joe 75 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:24,879 alabaster 76 00:03:30,789 --> 00:03:27,760 an evening with alan alder 77 00:03:32,789 --> 00:03:30,799 holy moly getting beyond a blind date 78 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:32,799 with science allen alder will be 79 00:03:38,309 --> 00:03:35,040 appearing at the australian national 80 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:38,319 university in canberra on march the 8th 81 00:03:42,949 --> 00:03:41,040 tuesday march the 8th now no kickbacks 82 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:42,959 for me for this i'm simply announcing 83 00:03:47,589 --> 00:03:44,319 this because 84 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:47,599 as a uh a fan of alan alder for many 85 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:48,560 years 86 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:50,400 and only partially because of his acting 87 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:52,799 work which is great if you saw him in 88 00:03:57,270 --> 00:03:55,120 the west wing for example my goodness me 89 00:03:59,190 --> 00:03:57,280 what a fine performance it was 90 00:04:01,830 --> 00:03:59,200 and not forgetting his uh 91 00:04:03,750 --> 00:04:01,840 performances as hawkeye pierce in mash 92 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:03,760 now what really um 93 00:04:08,229 --> 00:04:05,680 really impressed me with the alan alda 94 00:04:11,110 --> 00:04:08,239 is his passion and his ability to 95 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:11,120 communicate science including many years 96 00:04:15,429 --> 00:04:13,439 being the host of tv the tv series 97 00:04:17,670 --> 00:04:15,439 scientific american frontiers which i 98 00:04:20,710 --> 00:04:17,680 think you could probably find on youtube 99 00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:20,720 anyway i think i might just 100 00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:22,000 find myself 101 00:04:25,990 --> 00:04:24,400 in the audience on that evening if you 102 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:26,000 want to find out more there i'll put a 103 00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:28,000 link on the show notes or just google an 104 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:30,400 evening with alan alder 105 00:04:34,629 --> 00:04:32,240 australian national 106 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:34,639 university and of course i send my best 107 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:37,840 wishes earth to dr richard dawkins who 108 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:40,560 was recovering from a stroke he had a 109 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:43,120 minor stroke it would appear 110 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:44,400 the other day 111 00:04:47,189 --> 00:04:46,320 he's out of hospital 112 00:04:50,070 --> 00:04:47,199 and 113 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:50,080 by all accounts he is recovering there's 114 00:04:55,030 --> 00:04:51,840 a man who certainly 115 00:04:56,469 --> 00:04:55,040 caught controversy in many spheres as we 116 00:04:58,870 --> 00:04:56,479 all know 117 00:05:01,350 --> 00:04:58,880 but of course i wish him all the best 118 00:05:03,270 --> 00:05:01,360 for a speeding recovery 119 00:05:04,710 --> 00:05:03,280 but now it's time for me to get off this 120 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:04,720 chair 121 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:06,240 walk around 122 00:05:12,790 --> 00:05:09,280 the corner here into the kitchen 123 00:05:17,189 --> 00:05:15,189 what do we have here 124 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:17,199 some leftover chocolate cake from mum's 125 00:05:20,710 --> 00:05:18,240 birthday 126 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:20,720 while i munch that i hope you enjoy the 127 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:44,230 what we want is some more evidence 128 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:46,240 please 129 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:58,230 hello this is joe alabasta 130 00:06:03,990 --> 00:06:01,510 in the early 1920s farmers in germany 131 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:04,000 were noticing degraded soil conditions 132 00:06:07,990 --> 00:06:05,840 and a deterioration in the health and 133 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:08,000 quality of their crops and livestock and 134 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:10,080 this came to the attention of rudolf 135 00:06:13,990 --> 00:06:11,280 steiner 136 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:14,000 an austrian philosopher and esotericist 137 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:16,000 rudolf steiner was the pioneer of 138 00:06:21,110 --> 00:06:17,880 waldorf steiner education 139 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:21,120 anthroposophical medicine and biodynamic 140 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:23,280 agriculture all of which are still 141 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:25,120 practiced today 142 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:28,080 biodynamic wines yogurts superfoods and 143 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:31,440 cosmetics are sold at a premium price 144 00:06:34,870 --> 00:06:32,319 why 145 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:34,880 what is it that biodynamic certification 146 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:37,280 assures us of that isn't a part of 147 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:40,720 regular organic agricultural practice 148 00:06:45,990 --> 00:06:43,520 well biodynamic farming methods are 149 00:06:48,550 --> 00:06:46,000 similar to organic farming methods in 150 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:48,560 that they prohibit the use of gmos 151 00:06:53,749 --> 00:06:51,039 synthetic chemicals fertilizers or 152 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:53,759 pesticides but there's an added layer of 153 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:55,680 philosophy and steiner prescribed 154 00:06:59,670 --> 00:06:57,520 methods and practices on top of the 155 00:07:01,510 --> 00:06:59,680 standard no chemicals rule 156 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:01,520 and i know all matter is composed of 157 00:07:05,309 --> 00:07:04,319 chemicals and drastic battery too 158 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:05,319 from 159 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:07,199 biodynamics.com 160 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:08,560 quote 161 00:07:13,749 --> 00:07:11,440 biodynamics is ultimately not just a set 162 00:07:15,909 --> 00:07:13,759 of alternative agricultural methods but 163 00:07:17,830 --> 00:07:15,919 a way of seeing and understanding the 164 00:07:20,469 --> 00:07:17,840 natural world 165 00:07:22,870 --> 00:07:20,479 steiner called for and pioneered a new 166 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:22,880 form of science which he called 167 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:25,280 spiritual science that could grapple 168 00:07:31,589 --> 00:07:28,319 with both the material and non-material 169 00:07:34,150 --> 00:07:31,599 or spiritual aspects of reality 170 00:07:36,629 --> 00:07:34,160 biodynamic farmers work to develop their 171 00:07:39,350 --> 00:07:36,639 capacity to sense and observe the more 172 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:39,360 subtle forces at work in nature and to 173 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:41,840 use their own insights to further 174 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:44,800 enhance the vitality of their farms the 175 00:07:49,110 --> 00:07:46,800 biodynamic methods are thus in a 176 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:49,120 continuous state of evolution and 177 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:51,680 individualization 178 00:07:56,790 --> 00:07:53,759 as part of his work on a new approach to 179 00:07:58,869 --> 00:07:56,800 science steiner also developed together 180 00:08:00,790 --> 00:07:58,879 with a number of colleagues a set of 181 00:08:02,869 --> 00:08:00,800 unique scientific methods for 182 00:08:05,749 --> 00:08:02,879 demonstrating the presence of life 183 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:05,759 forces in nature and for evaluating the 184 00:08:10,950 --> 00:08:09,199 quality and vitality of food and soil 185 00:08:12,629 --> 00:08:10,960 these methods sometimes called the 186 00:08:14,469 --> 00:08:12,639 picture-forming methods 187 00:08:17,110 --> 00:08:14,479 are finding growing acceptance in 188 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:17,120 scientific circles in europe 189 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:18,800 these and other traditional forms of 190 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:21,120 scientific research have consistently 191 00:08:25,029 --> 00:08:23,840 demonstrated the benefits of biodynamic 192 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:25,039 methods 193 00:08:30,150 --> 00:08:27,280 end quote 194 00:08:32,389 --> 00:08:30,160 well spiritual science 195 00:08:35,509 --> 00:08:32,399 spiritual science looks into that which 196 00:08:37,670 --> 00:08:35,519 is beyond science as we define it it 197 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:37,680 deals with the supernatural concepts 198 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:40,399 which are not empirically derived and 199 00:08:45,590 --> 00:08:43,360 are neither reproducible nor testable 200 00:08:47,910 --> 00:08:45,600 yet steiner declared it to be scientific 201 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:47,920 regardless and this mode of thinking is 202 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:49,600 seen throughout all of the endeavours he 203 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:51,600 established 204 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:53,279 what are the scientifically proven 205 00:08:57,910 --> 00:08:56,080 benefits of biodynamic agriculture 206 00:09:00,310 --> 00:08:57,920 well they're indistinguishable from 207 00:09:02,070 --> 00:09:00,320 regular organic farming methods 208 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:02,080 compared to conventional agricultural 209 00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:03,120 methods 210 00:09:08,150 --> 00:09:06,000 organic and biodynamic farms tend to 211 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:08,160 have higher earthworm populations and 212 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:10,800 increased biomass but lower yields of 213 00:09:14,949 --> 00:09:12,480 produce 214 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:14,959 the extra work that biodynamic farmers 215 00:09:19,430 --> 00:09:17,200 put in to meet with steiner's methods is 216 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:19,440 quite astounding though 217 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:21,600 an example of the sort of practices that 218 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:24,480 stoner prescribed for biodynamic farmers 219 00:09:30,110 --> 00:09:27,000 is the preparation and use of 220 00:09:34,829 --> 00:09:30,120 biodynamic preparation 500 221 00:09:38,389 --> 00:09:34,839 bd500 a crop spray used to inoculate 222 00:09:40,389 --> 00:09:38,399 soil bd500 must be prepared in very 223 00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:40,399 specific ways 224 00:09:45,190 --> 00:09:42,959 in early autumn a farmer is to take an 225 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:45,200 empty horn from a cow which has had a 226 00:09:49,269 --> 00:09:47,760 calf and fill it with the fresh manure 227 00:09:52,470 --> 00:09:49,279 of a cow which is grazed on 228 00:09:53,910 --> 00:09:52,480 biodynamically worked pasture 229 00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:53,920 the horn is then to be buried 230 00:09:59,110 --> 00:09:56,880 underground in a fertile area of a field 231 00:10:01,030 --> 00:09:59,120 or garden until spring 232 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:01,040 when it's dug up and the contents of the 233 00:10:06,310 --> 00:10:03,360 horn are removed and stored in a loose 234 00:10:10,509 --> 00:10:06,320 lidded glass or earthenware jar in peat 235 00:10:14,069 --> 00:10:10,519 or soil away from any chemicals 236 00:10:17,110 --> 00:10:14,079 bd500 is applied at a rate of 35 grams 237 00:10:18,470 --> 00:10:17,120 of preparation in 13 liters of water per 238 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:18,480 acre 239 00:10:23,110 --> 00:10:20,560 it is to be mixed in a vessel made of 240 00:10:25,509 --> 00:10:23,120 wood clay copper or stainless steel and 241 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:25,519 the vessel must not be overfilled 242 00:10:31,269 --> 00:10:28,640 water must be clean from a dam or tank 243 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:31,279 if using city water leave overnight to 244 00:10:34,630 --> 00:10:33,040 allow chemicals in the water to 245 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:34,640 evaporate 246 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:37,680 proper stirring technique is important 247 00:10:42,550 --> 00:10:40,240 begin by stirring in one direction until 248 00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:42,560 a vortex appears then reverse the 249 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:44,880 direction until you create another one 250 00:10:49,509 --> 00:10:47,279 continue stirring and changing direction 251 00:10:51,990 --> 00:10:49,519 for one hour 252 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:52,000 stirring small amounts of preparation in 253 00:10:57,509 --> 00:10:54,880 large amounts of water is referred to as 254 00:11:00,389 --> 00:10:57,519 dynamizing and is said to transfer 255 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:00,399 forces and energy from the preparation 256 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:06,230 bd500 needs to reach the ground in the 257 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:08,000 form of droplets 258 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:10,240 to apply to large areas of land use a 259 00:11:14,790 --> 00:11:12,720 backpack sprayer smaller areas can be 260 00:11:17,269 --> 00:11:14,800 treated by dipping a hand brush made of 261 00:11:19,509 --> 00:11:17,279 horse hair or another natural material 262 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:19,519 into a bucket of preparation and 263 00:11:24,310 --> 00:11:22,000 flicking it over the soil 264 00:11:26,389 --> 00:11:24,320 what's the point of it all 265 00:11:28,389 --> 00:11:26,399 it's said that the sphere of activity of 266 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:28,399 the horn manure preparation 267 00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:30,480 is the soil life and root zone of the 268 00:11:35,350 --> 00:11:33,360 plant that it improves soil humus that 269 00:11:37,829 --> 00:11:35,360 it affects the dynamics of plant growth 270 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:37,839 from germination to harvest 271 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:39,360 it's best applied at the beginning of 272 00:11:44,470 --> 00:11:41,920 the growing season on a cloudy afternoon 273 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:44,480 where soil is moist and on fields that 274 00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:47,920 are uncultivated or freshly turned 275 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:50,320 there are several other preparations 276 00:11:53,750 --> 00:11:52,720 a similar cowhorn one using powdered 277 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:53,760 quartz 278 00:11:59,230 --> 00:11:55,760 several for improving compost involving 279 00:12:02,870 --> 00:11:59,240 various herbs and animal organs 280 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:02,880 bd502 is made from dried yarrow flowers 281 00:12:07,590 --> 00:12:05,360 placed in a stag's bladder in spring 282 00:12:09,509 --> 00:12:07,600 then hung from a tree until autumn 283 00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:09,519 buried in an earthenware container until 284 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:11,600 the next spring 285 00:12:16,230 --> 00:12:14,160 then one tenth of a teaspoon is to be 286 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:16,240 placed in the middle of a cubic meter of 287 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:17,440 compost 288 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:19,200 where it quote 289 00:12:24,150 --> 00:12:21,600 brings light forces into the soil via 290 00:12:26,870 --> 00:12:24,160 its connection with sulfur helping 291 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:26,880 spirit to penetrate mata and enables it 292 00:12:31,430 --> 00:12:29,279 to attract trace elements 293 00:12:34,069 --> 00:12:31,440 important for reproduction and growth 294 00:12:35,509 --> 00:12:34,079 venous forces are said to manifest in 295 00:12:36,829 --> 00:12:35,519 yarrow 296 00:12:39,990 --> 00:12:36,839 end 297 00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:40,000 quote a biodynamics guide 298 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:42,000 quote it's ideal to follow the 299 00:12:47,110 --> 00:12:44,320 application times from the biodynamic 300 00:12:49,509 --> 00:12:47,120 calendar to optimize cosmic influence 301 00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:49,519 end quote 302 00:12:54,389 --> 00:12:52,079 yes biodynamics incorporates an 303 00:12:56,310 --> 00:12:54,399 astrological calendar 304 00:12:59,110 --> 00:12:56,320 using the phases of the moon to organize 305 00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:59,120 when to plant fertilize and harvest kind 306 00:13:03,190 --> 00:13:00,720 of makes sense when you're living in a 307 00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:03,200 society which is lacking calendars 308 00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:04,880 and i suppose it still serves as a 309 00:13:08,949 --> 00:13:06,800 sensible enough way to track the passing 310 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:08,959 of time and seasons but the magical 311 00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:10,399 thinking of astrology that's 312 00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:12,560 incorporated into these calendars 313 00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:16,639 strikes me as quite unnecessary 314 00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:19,440 during the 90s and early 2000s if there 315 00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:21,120 wasn't a poster of an independent 316 00:13:25,110 --> 00:13:23,200 cinemas yearly program stuck behind the 317 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:25,120 toilet door of a share house i lived in 318 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:27,760 or visited there was almost certainly a 319 00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:30,160 moon planting poster in its place 320 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:32,639 it's a fairly pervasive belief by no 321 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:34,560 means limited to hardcore alternative 322 00:13:38,629 --> 00:13:36,720 gardeners with its pseudo-scientific 323 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:38,639 claims that the gravity wrought by the 324 00:13:43,509 --> 00:13:40,880 moon has a notable effect on the water 325 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:43,519 within plants and soil 326 00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:46,160 biodynamics makes the further assertion 327 00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:48,399 that the constellations impact growth 328 00:13:51,389 --> 00:13:50,320 and fertility 329 00:13:54,069 --> 00:13:51,399 from 330 00:13:55,829 --> 00:13:54,079 biodynamic.org dot uk 331 00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:55,839 quote 332 00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:58,160 since ancient times the twelve zodiac 333 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:00,560 constellations have been associated with 334 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:03,120 each of the four elements 335 00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:05,600 three constellations are connected to 336 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:08,240 each element and each element is related 337 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,160 to a part of the plant 338 00:14:14,829 --> 00:14:12,720 earth root water leaf 339 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:14,839 air flower fire 340 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:17,920 fruit for good carrots and earth root 341 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:20,160 days should be chosen for lettuce a 342 00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:21,760 water leaf day 343 00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:24,959 beans and apples are fire fruit day etc 344 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:27,120 end quote 345 00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,279 it all seems incredibly prescriptive to 346 00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:31,360 me there's no room for trialling 347 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:33,279 different and potentially more efficient 348 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:36,160 or economical methods everything is done 349 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:42,230 some of the principles found within 350 00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:45,519 biodynamics are ones that i too value 351 00:14:49,829 --> 00:14:48,079 the responsible stewardship of land 352 00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:49,839 recognition of ecosystems and 353 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:52,959 microclimates minimizing waste 354 00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:55,440 but we can be ethical ecologically aware 355 00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:57,760 and appreciative of agriculturalists or 356 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:00,160 in my case home gardeners without the 357 00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:02,240 need for dated prescriptive methods or 358 00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:05,120 magical thinking 359 00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:07,600 as for life forces 360 00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,839 why do we need supernatural ones 361 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:12,240 influenced by constellations to be in 362 00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:13,920 aurov 363 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:16,079 as a home gardener i feel a sense of 364 00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:19,120 amazement at what i see unfold around me 365 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:21,360 seeds which contain dormant life being 366 00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:23,600 awakened by the right conditions 367 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:27,279 microcosms of animals plants and fungi 368 00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:29,279 the shapes textures and colours of 369 00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:31,920 leaves fruit flowers and bark 370 00:15:35,750 --> 00:15:33,519 learning how to adjust the properties of 371 00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:35,760 soil to help a plant thrive 372 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,000 witnessing photosynthesis and nutrient 373 00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:40,320 uptake and genetic manipulation by 374 00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:42,480 selective breeding of plants i'm 375 00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:44,560 fascinated by it all 376 00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,560 so when somebody tells me that their 377 00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:48,399 method of alternative gardening or 378 00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:50,880 agriculture is more holistic or 379 00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:52,800 considered because they're adopting 380 00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:55,279 supernatural beliefs into their practice 381 00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:57,199 i really want to ask them 382 00:16:02,389 --> 00:15:59,040 isn't what's actually there what's 383 00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:02,399 observable amazing enough 384 00:16:06,629 --> 00:16:04,320 there's a quote from douglas adams of 385 00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:06,639 which i'm particularly fond and in the 386 00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:08,959 context of this report it can be taken 387 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:11,279 quite literally 388 00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:12,480 quote 389 00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:14,480 isn't it enough to see that a garden is 390 00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:17,040 beautiful without having to believe that 391 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,959 there are fairies at the bottom of it 392 00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:19,920 too 393 00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:20,839 end 394 00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:22,639 quote 395 00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:24,639 for more evidence please keep listening 396 00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:26,399 to the skeptic zone 397 00:16:30,350 --> 00:16:28,320 and as i tell you every week you can 398 00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:30,360 find evidence please at 399 00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:31,920 evidenceplease.net 400 00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:35,759 on facebook and i'm on twitter at joe 401 00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:49,430 hi 402 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:53,839 northern rivers vaccination supporters 403 00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:56,320 we are a group of concerned citizens 404 00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:58,560 dedicated to promoting good science and 405 00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,199 common sense in our region the far north 406 00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:03,440 coast of new south wales 407 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:05,919 this area famous for its natural beauty 408 00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:07,839 and relaxed lifestyle 409 00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:10,480 also has the lowest rates of vaccination 410 00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,319 in australia 411 00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:14,640 we are out to change that by challenging 412 00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:17,199 the myths and misinformation and by 413 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,039 providing good evidence-based 414 00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:21,600 information to the community 415 00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:23,600 we'd love for you 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after an injury but new 432 00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,200 research has not that on the head 433 00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:25,520 microscopic analysis of damaged nerves 434 00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,760 in the central nervous system of mice 435 00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:29,760 reveals that they not only regenerate 436 00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:31,840 but they do so at rates comparable to 437 00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:33,600 the regrowth of other parts of the 438 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:35,919 nervous system the researchers are 439 00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,320 unsure why or how this regeneration 440 00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:40,960 happens but the observation opens up new 441 00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:43,520 areas of research into regrowing damaged 442 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:48,789 there's good news for sports fans this 443 00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:52,320 week humans have evolved for throwing a 444 00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:54,400 number of anatomical features in the 445 00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:56,880 human shoulder have been shown to boost 446 00:19:02,150 --> 00:18:59,600 throwing power and accuracy these 447 00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,160 shoulder features only appeared after we 448 00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,320 started walking upright when the hands 449 00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:07,039 and arms were free these features date 450 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:09,440 back at least two million years to our 451 00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,640 ancestors homo erectus suggesting their 452 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:14,960 anatomy developed to throw spears and 453 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:22,070 12 sites on the human genome have been 454 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:25,440 linked to migraines ants remember visual 455 00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:28,400 clues to help find their way home plants 456 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,799 accurately measure their stored energy 457 00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,960 and then calculate how much to use to 458 00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:35,280 last them through the night and a strong 459 00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,039 correlation has been found between 460 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,960 people's maths ability and the 461 00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:40,720 likelihood that they will default on 462 00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:43,679 their home mortgage 463 00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,559 and finally this week monkeys use social 464 00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,880 networks to spread ideas 465 00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,720 dominant monkeys were isolated from 466 00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:52,640 their troops and shown two different 467 00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,440 ways to open a box containing food 468 00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,000 either by lifting a flap or pivoting 469 00:20:02,150 --> 00:20:00,559 that flap from side to side when these 470 00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,160 monkeys were reintroduced to their 471 00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:04,720 troops researchers followed how quickly 472 00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,280 the new behaviors spread they found that 473 00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:09,600 groups organized around a strong central 474 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,559 leader spread the new ideas more quickly 475 00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,120 get back to work 476 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:17,520 more details can be found on our website 477 00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,880 rios dot org u that's been the 478 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:22,880 highlights of another big week in 479 00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,120 science for more information on these 480 00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:27,520 and other science news stories go to the 481 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,880 royals website rios dot org dot a u 482 00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:32,480 where you can also sign up for 483 00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,600 notifications of future episodes you can 484 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:37,679 join in the conversation on twitter 485 00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:40,720 using the hashtag week insight i'm paul 486 00:21:15,190 --> 00:20:43,360 willis and on behalf of the rios team 487 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,310 letters from heaven tv psychic lillian 488 00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:20,640 sends almost identical readings to 489 00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:23,600 dozens of customers here's a story out 490 00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:24,799 of the uk 491 00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,400 as reported in the dailyrecord.co.uk 492 00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,799 and in other media outlets a well-known 493 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,799 psychic has sent identical 494 00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,720 letters from heaven 495 00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,039 to dozens of bereaved customers who paid 496 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,799 her to connect with their lost loved 497 00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:39,840 ones 498 00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,039 costing around 38 pounds 499 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,440 these letters are claimed to be from 500 00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:47,440 your dear departed 501 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,799 residing in heaven television psychic 502 00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,480 paula bestow 503 00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:54,640 better known as lillian 504 00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,799 apparently sent out many letters to 505 00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,440 people paying money 506 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:02,400 but all these letters were the same 507 00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,400 lillian has over 150 000 followers on 508 00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,600 her facebook page on her website it says 509 00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:12,240 a letter from lillian is a mediumship 510 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,200 reading 511 00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,000 she will connect with her guides and the 512 00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,600 people who are coming through to you 513 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,159 from spirit to pass on messages from 514 00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,120 them that only you will know here with 515 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,720 the help of skeptic trish han in sydney 516 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,840 is a 517 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,200 transcript 518 00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:31,440 of one of the letters sent out by 519 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,400 psychic 520 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,280 lillian to a certain bereaved 521 00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:37,360 daughter have a listen to this and then 522 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:40,559 we'll discuss some of the aspects of 523 00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,240 cold reading and barnum effect or the 524 00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:46,159 floor effect 525 00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,520 okay so 526 00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,280 as your very beautiful mum bless her 527 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,200 connects with me the very first thing 528 00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,799 that she wants you to know 529 00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,720 is that she loves you with all her heart 530 00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:56,880 and that she is with her mum and not to 531 00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,919 worry she got home safe 532 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,919 she adores you love she says she'll 533 00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,080 always be with you on the path of life 534 00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,679 right at your side to help comfort and 535 00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,840 guide you should you ever need it she'll 536 00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,280 be there 537 00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,039 she wants you to know to love that she 538 00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,200 is very proud of you as she tells me 539 00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,679 that you've had a very hard time of late 540 00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,600 but she says keep smiling that lovely 541 00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,400 smile i'm by your side 542 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,799 she mentions the yellow flowers too and 543 00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:25,120 she says how very beautiful they are and 544 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,799 the new decorating in the house looks 545 00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,840 lovely too she loves the colors 546 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,600 she says when you dream of her love she 547 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,000 is visiting you in a sleep state it's 548 00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,080 her spirit and when you see the feathers 549 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:38,000 as well it's mum that's been leaving 550 00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,360 them 551 00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,600 she hears you talk to her you were sat 552 00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,159 on your bed love not so long ago you was 553 00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,400 crying you have pine in this bedroom and 554 00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,840 a light carpet 555 00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,520 mum was sat there with you putting her 556 00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,520 arms around you 557 00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,039 she mentions a baby to come in the 558 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,960 family and looks very forward to that as 559 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,240 well 560 00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,080 she loves your hair and tells me you're 561 00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,840 always messing with it 562 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,360 mention someone's getting their teeth 563 00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,320 whitened and a tattoo she sees too 564 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,919 she'll be with you at the church shortly 565 00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,000 as well and tells me september is 566 00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,559 significant as well as december 567 00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,480 she's in no pain 568 00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,720 i feel cancer all very similar took your 569 00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,919 beautiful mum 570 00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,440 she's fine with the rest of your spirit 571 00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,120 family 572 00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,279 she hands you a red rose love as now she 573 00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,000 goes back to spirit saying i will never 574 00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:26,480 leave you i adore you 575 00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,240 all of you many blessings to you 576 00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,559 so there you go i think you can see 577 00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:34,880 how that could apply 578 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:35,679 to 579 00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,480 possibly thousands of 580 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,840 bereaved 581 00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,400 uh sons and daughters thinking about 582 00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,960 their mother the message that keeps on 583 00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,360 really being repeated here is 584 00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,520 uh mother's okay and she's sending you 585 00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,480 love 586 00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,240 now this is 587 00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,880 almost universal certainly with the 588 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,120 investigations i've done over many years 589 00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,799 this comes through again and again and 590 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,960 again when so-called psychics contact 591 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,120 the deer departed the deer departed 592 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,080 always pretty well they're happy and 593 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,080 they're sending you lots of love and 594 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,760 they're wanting you to know that they're 595 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,720 just 596 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:12,240 fine and they're seeing their old 597 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,760 friends and family 598 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,440 you really don't get the situation where 599 00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,360 the deer departed says 600 00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:20,000 get me out of here it's horrible 601 00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,799 or 602 00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,720 i really hate you and i'm glad i'm not 603 00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,720 seeing you anymore or things like that 604 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,559 the point is of course that if this 605 00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,320 liliana's 606 00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:30,000 providing a 607 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,360 service here 608 00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:33,840 surely this is a matter for 609 00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,279 the consumer affairs the fair trading 610 00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,679 in the uk to investigate but these 611 00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:41,760 statements that lillian was coming up 612 00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,559 with she mentions the yellow flowers too 613 00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,880 and she says how beautiful they were and 614 00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,559 the new decoration in the house looks 615 00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,880 lovely too she loves the colors she says 616 00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,279 that when you dream of her love 617 00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,039 all this sort of stuff she's visiting 618 00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,520 you in a sleep state it's her spirit she 619 00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,520 mentioned someone getting their teeth 620 00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:01,600 whitened and a tattoo 621 00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,840 oh by the way there is spelt t-h-e-r-e 622 00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,000 their teeth whitened all these are what 623 00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,000 we call barnum statements or for or 624 00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,559 statements for effect barnum effect 625 00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,880 it's all part of uh cold reading this is 626 00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,039 the sort of cold reading you can do 627 00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,799 without actually being 628 00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,799 present with a person to 629 00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,279 interact with their feedback 630 00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,360 which most so-called psychics do when 631 00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,039 they're sitting with somebody 632 00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,919 they'll basically ask them questions and 633 00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,880 feed off the feedback and on it goes 634 00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,039 these statements of lillian reminded me 635 00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,600 very much of an experiment james randy 636 00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,919 did way back in the early 90s 637 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,919 as part of the tv show 638 00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,320 secrets of the psychics 639 00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:46,080 which was produced by 640 00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,919 pbs the nova program now if you google 641 00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,840 secrets of the psychics james randy 642 00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,200 you'll see the whole video it's quite 643 00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,240 good it's um it's actually a really 644 00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:59,039 really worth watching but here's a clip 645 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,039 here's a clip from that 646 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,320 documentary with james randy 647 00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,720 with a group of university students 648 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,480 demonstrating to them 649 00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,720 the uh the power of these barnum type 650 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,840 statements 651 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,320 he's in a room a classroom and he hands 652 00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,240 out lots of uh 653 00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,320 astrology charts 654 00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,720 to the students 655 00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:23,679 the trickster never works alone 656 00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,320 his audience assists him 657 00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,640 if he does his job well they want to be 658 00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,840 fooled 659 00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:31,520 uh sherlock 660 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:37,350 for the astrology test each student was 661 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,990 they were told it was drawn up by a 662 00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:46,080 professional based on information they 663 00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,840 had supplied about when and where they 664 00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,440 were born 665 00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,840 actually these horoscopes were not quite 666 00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:54,000 what they appeared to be 667 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,440 i'd like you to share something with me 668 00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,880 if you'd be so conscious with this show 669 00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:58,799 i asked the students to grade them for 670 00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,840 accuracy on a scale of one to five five 671 00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:04,159 being the most accurate uh how many gave 672 00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,070 two 673 00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,320 three 674 00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,760 four 675 00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:15,600 and five 676 00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,159 okay so we scored pretty highly with 677 00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,679 this 678 00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,120 let's do a little experiment you've got 679 00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,880 your horoscopes right in front of you 680 00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,480 take them in your hand like this and 681 00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,240 hand them over your shoulder to the 682 00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,559 person behind you okay everybody and the 683 00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,159 guy at the end down there you'll have to 684 00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,520 come up to the front because these 685 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:34,080 people in the front don't have one now 686 00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,440 okay 687 00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,039 everybody change them around everybody's 688 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:39,520 gotta open up somebody else's horoscope 689 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:55,110 they had all received the same horoscope 690 00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,630 the personality descriptions were 691 00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,679 generally true of everyone like recently 692 00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,960 you have had to recover from a 693 00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,360 disappointment 694 00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,520 some of them seem specific because they 695 00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,200 were so personal 696 00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:09,200 your sexual adjustment has presented 697 00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,080 some problems for you 698 00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,000 and there were others that anyone might 699 00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:16,159 hope would be true 700 00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,679 you have a great deal of unused capacity 701 00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,559 people like to believe certain things 702 00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:23,919 are true 703 00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,880 and they like to fall for very specific 704 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,159 absolutely 705 00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,960 enormously accurate horoscopes right 706 00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,880 of course they are did you have a 707 00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:34,799 question yes i have a question so why do 708 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,000 people persist in uh ascribing to these 709 00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:40,080 systems 710 00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,600 the big question of course and 711 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,760 psychologically that is the most 712 00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,000 interesting question i think that people 713 00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,600 are trying to get some control over 714 00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,039 their lives by knowing more about 715 00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,039 themselves of course they get control 716 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,039 over their lives but that's what we're 717 00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,760 doing all of us each and every day of 718 00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,080 our lives whether it's financial whether 719 00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,919 it's emotional whether it's a love 720 00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,679 interest whether it's health we're 721 00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,360 trying to get control of our lives we're 722 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,480 looking for power and astrology offers 723 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,640 you apparently a very old and a very 724 00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:10,960 easy formula whereby you can do that 725 00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,159 sort of thing so all the papers randy 726 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:16,159 was passing out to the students were all 727 00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,200 the same 728 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:19,919 many years ago i wrote to randy 729 00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,000 and asked him if i could use that 730 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,399 series of statements myself in the mr 731 00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,559 investigators show the show i do 732 00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,520 with uh 733 00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,440 maynard and dr rachie and my friend ian 734 00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,679 bryce from time to time and for many 735 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:35,679 years now we've been using those very 736 00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,720 statements in our live show here is the 737 00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,880 full transcript of what randy sent me 738 00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,440 slightly modified for 739 00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,960 use in the 740 00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,799 in the high schools in the primary 741 00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,360 schools it works very well 742 00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:52,159 we normally get scores in the 80s to 90 743 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:01,830 astrological sign aquarius 744 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,640 january 20 to february 18th 745 00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,240 please do not discuss with other 746 00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:09,120 students any of the contents of this 747 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,159 private 748 00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,880 personal analysis 749 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,200 the following is an analysis based on 750 00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,640 your star sign 751 00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,640 all of the information has been and will 752 00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,440 be kept strictly confidential 753 00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,520 your personal analysis 754 00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,600 while at times you have serious doubts 755 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,120 as to whether you've made the right 756 00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,440 decision or done the right thing 757 00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,440 you are disciplined and controlled on 758 00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,640 the outside 759 00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,440 you tend to be worrisome and insecure on 760 00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,799 the inside 761 00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,120 your basic intuitions usually prove 762 00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:41,679 right and you are an excellent judge of 763 00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,039 character your sense of humor is notable 764 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,799 you believe that everyone should look 765 00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:48,960 out for themselves you are willing to 766 00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,399 help others when they have difficulties 767 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,720 you obtain great satisfaction from doing 768 00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,320 small kindnesses 769 00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:58,080 even when your action may not be 770 00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,840 recognized by others 771 00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:01,760 though you are a person who tends to be 772 00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,640 forgiving of other people's faults and 773 00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,399 you try to trust them once an 774 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,480 acquaintance has proved to be dishonest 775 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,200 or unworthy of your confidence you watch 776 00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,840 them carefully your chart shows a great 777 00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,960 interest 778 00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:17,360 you may be thinking of a human services 779 00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,480 career if not you certainly should 780 00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,480 you would be very successful in such a 781 00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:23,919 profession 782 00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,360 your sign of aquarius also shows a love 783 00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,200 of animals 784 00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,600 occasionally your aspirations tend to be 785 00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:33,279 pretty unrealistic 786 00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,880 at times extroverted affable sociable 787 00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,440 while other times you are introverted 788 00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:41,519 wary and reserved 789 00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,080 you have found it unwise to be too frank 790 00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,240 in revealing yourself to others 791 00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,159 you pride yourself on being an 792 00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,039 independent thinker and do not accept 793 00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:53,519 others opinions without satisfactory 794 00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,559 proof 795 00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,720 you prefer a certain amount of change in 796 00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,440 variety and become dissatisfied when 797 00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:01,120 hemmed in by restrictions and 798 00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,399 limitations 799 00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,799 your family at time has presented some 800 00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,880 problems for you while you have some 801 00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,039 personal weaknesses you are generally 802 00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:11,840 able to compensate for them you have a 803 00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,120 great deal of unused capacity 804 00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,279 which you have not turned to your 805 00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,480 advantage 806 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,640 you have a tendency to be critical of 807 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,720 yourself you have a strong need for 808 00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,880 other people to like you and for them to 809 00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,480 admire you 810 00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,919 you have had to recover from a 811 00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:30,159 disappointment and you have determined 812 00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,679 to overcome it 813 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,600 you can expect a new person to enter 814 00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,840 your life a person who may have come to 815 00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,799 your attention during the last 12 days 816 00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,799 travel is showing up in your plans an 817 00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:42,960 unexpected trip that is brought about by 818 00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,000 a new element in your day-to-day routine 819 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,559 because of this change do not enter into 820 00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:50,880 money matters no matter how minor 821 00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,320 without very serious consideration 822 00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,480 this is a critical moon 823 00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,559 saturn period for you 824 00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,120 and your health circumstances can be 825 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,440 important be determined to weather this 826 00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:06,720 situation and depend on your good common 827 00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,030 now maybe you can see the similarities 828 00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,720 between that 829 00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,919 and the 830 00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:24,000 statements given out by 831 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,520 so-called psychic 832 00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,639 lillian 833 00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,280 these statements are designed to apply 834 00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,520 to many people 835 00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,720 and i'm sure you yourself 836 00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,280 could relate to a lot of what 837 00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,440 i just read out there in that 838 00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,760 astrology chart 839 00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,800 now 840 00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,520 of course it's possible that lillian 841 00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,359 sent out the same message to lots of 842 00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,520 people by error 843 00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,320 we can't uh rule that out at the moment 844 00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,599 but 845 00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,919 even if this one was intended for one 846 00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,680 person 847 00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,599 even if the statement she sent was 848 00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,359 intended for one person 849 00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:02,960 it's 850 00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,240 absolutely textbook 101 851 00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,320 barnum statements 852 00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,680 and 853 00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:12,000 a very poor message 854 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,150 foreign 855 00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,630 is an award-winning weekly science show 856 00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,880 in french hosted by a bunch of crazy 857 00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,480 enthusiasts 858 00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,960 we are convinced that the greatest ideas 859 00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,200 in 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00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,800 now this kicks off at 7 30 at the rynd 890 00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:14,320 restaurant 891 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,680 at 11 castle street in reading 892 00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,320 now the blurb says it's easy to think of 893 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,560 pseudoscience existing in a glass case 894 00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,960 at the museum something to be examined 895 00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,079 and critiqued from a safe distance but 896 00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,560 not something to touch and play with 897 00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,560 using examples taken from his own 898 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,040 personal experiences and skepticism 899 00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,640 michael marshall will show you what 900 00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,240 happens when you begin to crack the 901 00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,119 surface of the pseudo sciences that 902 00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,760 surround us revealing the surprising 903 00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,920 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